I finally felt it was crisp and fall enough to make chili...I'm weird like that. To me all chili recipes are the same, you just dump in all the extra stuff left in your cupboards, right? The one thing this recipe had in it that was different was Masa, which is corn flour found in Mexican section of the grocery store. It really thickened it up and I had to add water to get it to the consistentcy that we like, but it was good and it had a little kick to it. I have yet to find the perfect chili recipe. Every time I make it I ask what does it need, is it hot enough, is it good. I'm waiting for the "wow" faces and I haven't gotten that yet!